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The saga continues... Time to get picky! I want to stamp out every possible problem that could happen.

Hooked up the preamp via 20ft xlr to trs cable. From the test preamp it went into a patch bay, then a 3ft cord, then to MOTU inputs.

Used Digital Performer to record the tracks and measure the "noise" DP registered in it's VU meters.

Gain position - Gain dB - VU meter reading
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1 - 0dB -90dB
2 - 6dB -90dB
3 - 12dB -90dB
4 - 18dB -90dB
5 - 24dB -90dB
6 - 30dB -90dB
7 - 36dB -84dB
8 - 42dB -74dB
9 - 48dB -66dB
10- 54dB -59dB
11- 60dB -52dB
12- 66dB -44dB

As you can see, noise started to increase at the 8th gain position -74dB reading for a 42dB of gain.

During my testing the other day, I did notice the oscillation on the 5th, 6th and 7th position which was reduced/eliminated by the bypass capacitors.

But the 0.1uf bypass caps were ineffective for gain position 8th and higher. ... and it shows in the readings above.

-74dB is still not too noticeable, but -59, -52 and -44dB are very high.

So I need to find a solution for this and get rid of this problem. I'm thinking a different value of bypass cap in parallel with the 0.1uf may work.

So for now, Rev3.00 PCB is on hold for manufacturing.

UPDATE
Incorporated some fixes. Added more bypass capacitors to the volume potentiometer. I think considering the volume pot is connected up via hookup wires instead of onboard the PCB is a contributing factor to the noise problem.

Picked an AM station when the preamp is hooked up directly to the RP8 monitor. Didn't happen when the pre was hooked up to the MOTU. Added another bypass cap to the volume knob and that solved the problem. Bye bye country radio!

Gain position - Gain dB - VU meter reading - New reading
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1 - 0dB -90dB -90dB
2 - 6dB -90dB -90dB
3 - 12dB -90dB -90dB
4 - 18dB -90dB -90dB
5 - 24dB -90dB -90dB
6 - 30dB -90dB -86dB
7 - 36dB -84dB -84dB
8 - 42dB -74dB -78dB
9 - 48dB -66dB -78dB
10- 54dB -59dB -65dB
11- 60dB -52dB -60dB
12- 66dB -44dB -55dB

DP's VU meter readings are better... especially at the 11th and 12th position. Oscillation at the higher gain settings fixed too.

Just for some layman terms...

60dB is 1000x amplification of the original signal.
66dB is 2000x amplification of the original signal.

BTW, without the preamp connected the best my system can do is -90dB. So the above -90dB readings probably should be lower.

I still want to be able to push noise lower for gain settings 54, 60 and 66dB maybe down to the -78dB mark.

The thing is since I'm using about 2" jumper to simulate my selector switch, most of the noise is coming in via this jumper. I can tell because depending on how the jumper wire is positioned, or if I'm touching it, the amount of noise varies. If I had a real selector switch soldered in, I know the readings will be even lower than above.

Another possible area where noise is coming in is via the hookup wires that connects to the external potentiometer. This piece of wire then goes directly to the balanced driver stage.

On Rev3.00 PCB, the gain selector switch and volume potentiometer will be onboard the PCB so we're talking about very minimum distances, no hookup wires and very close to the ground plane of the PCB. I don't think we'll have this problem on the Rev3 design.

So maybe I might go ahead and push to manufacturing...

more update
I decided to plugin again the SM57, crank the gain selector all the way to 66dB, and lowered the volume knob since the SM57 doesn't really need that much of a gain... hooked the preamp directly to the RP8 monitor and fired it up.

Better than yesterday and earlier today! It is quiet. The volume knob pot is like 1/5th up and it is already loud, of course considering it's at 66dB gain (amplifying 2000x) and no RF noise, no hum noise... YES, at 66dB setting!

 

Noise measurements:

I'm a little bummed that at the 60dB and 66dB gain settings, the SC-1 noise floor isn't lower than I expected. (@60dB, -52dB improved to -60dB; @66dB, -44dB improved to -55dB)

So I looked around the net at other equipment specs...

There's a lot of mumbo jumbo out there... Some measuring their noise with the inputs shorted to ground (which personally I don't agree) and some not specifying what's the volume level at (i.e. you can set gain to 66dB, but if you leave the volume only at 50% can get a low noise floor reading... deceiving don't you think?)

I found a Rane note (http://www.rane.com/note145.html) that says GAIN should be set to maximum (I did that) and the input TERMINATED with the expected source impedance. (Oh oh.... I did NOT do that.)

So, I goofed up. When I did the earlier noise measurements, I left the inputs hanging.

It should have been terminated with a 150-ohm resistor to simulate a mic connected to it. So I got a spare XLR jack, soldered a 150ohm resistor on pins 2 and 3, plugged it into the mic preamp and measured performance again.

WOW! Big difference! Much better.

(This also explains why the other day when I hooked up an SM57, it seems quiet and great, but when I checked the noise floor in DP (with inputs hanging), the readings were high.)

So here are the NEW and improved numbers!

Gain dB = Noise floor (Rs=150 ohms, Max Gain settings, volume at max)
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0dB = -90dB*
6 dB = -90dB*
12 dB = -90dB*
18 dB = -90dB*
24 dB = -90dB*
30 dB = -90dB*
36 dB = -88dB
42 dB = -85dB
48 dB = -80dB
54 dB = -74dB
60 dB = -69dB
66 dB = -64dB

* Note: The best my setup can do is -90dB, so I cannot measure anything below this.

** These are not EIN numbers.

And yes, the above values are at Max Gain, Volume knob all the way to the right - settings. This is real-world results, not theoretical calculated noise figure. This is what you'll see on your VU meters in your DAW software.

So this is the current score... we're at -64dB noise floor at 66dB gain.... much better! Now, the challenge is to reduce this further. But I'm just nit-picking here.

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